Within the past year, I came across the YouTube channel of a church in Calgary, Alberta, in Canada. There were some really good things I heard and agreed with, but I had a caution within me because of some of the other things which I heard through their YT channel and from what I read at their church Website.
A while back, about a couple of months or so ago, one of their video shorts popped up on my YouTube feed, so I clicked on it to listen. What I heard only underscored my suspicion as to what this church truly teaches and believes. My suspicion was confirmed after I left a comment and began to have an exchange with them regarding their position and my concerns.
The video is titled Mercy for Judas, and the person speaking is a Staff member, not the lead Pastor. Here are the exact words that are said in this short video:
Peter reduces Judas to the worst thing he ever did, which from where I sit, feels like a far cry from what Jesus does with our worst thing. The ways we betray the ones we love, the ways we get caught up in fear and greed, and scarcity. The ways our mistakes punish us enough that we do not need a divine force punishing us more. I want to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas and gave him a chance. What’s next for Judas is between him and his God. I will always read Judas mercifully.
Below is the dialogue that I am currently having, and I honestly hope they continue to reply. I think based on their Youtube channel, the lead Pastor is the one who replies to the comments. His first name is Jeremy and in the first reply to me, the commenter acknowledges that the person replying in that comment is Jeremy.
Now, I cannot be 100% certain that each replay is indeed from the lead Pastor, Jeremy. However, it most likely is. Having said that, below is my exchange with Jeremy. After the dialogue that I have shared below, I want to share some specific thoughts as to why the actual things said in the video are so misleading. I do hope that Jermy and I continue this conversation, but we will see. I do not discard him as a brother in Christ, but I do discard some of his church’s doctrine as false and dangerous for him to be teaching others. I do not necessarily expect to reach him, but possibly the points I am making can help someone who may happen to read our dialogue, maybe even someone in his church who is confused by these teachings. Here is my exchange with Jeremy:
Michael’s comment (this is my initial comment):
I love this ministry, but I can’t go there with regards to Judas, because the scripture says, it would have been better for Judas to never have been born than to betray the Son of Man.
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. ~ Matthew 26:24
This “woe” concerning Judas is an expression of grief or denunciation, and refers to his end. This is in contrast to the words of the text saying, it would have been better if he had never been born. The KJV says, “it would have been good that he never have been born” but many translations say, better, and that seems to be a correct reading.
Judas is the son of perdition (doom), and Jesus referred to Judas as a devil (John 6:70).
The prophets in the Old Testament and the writers in the New have absolutely nothing good or favorable to say about Judas’s end. The betrayal of Jesus by Judas was no doubt part of the equation when Jesus opened the understanding of the scriptures to his disciples, and expounded to them about what had been written concerning him from the law of Moses, the prophets, and the Psalms (Luke 24:25-27; Luke 24:44-48).
The disciples did not comprehend the betrayal of Jesus by Judas, nor did they understand that the scriptures in the Old Testament (Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:12-13) had prophesied the betrayal of Jesus by Judas until after the resurrection of Jesus.
During the last supper when Jesus told Judas to go, and do quickly, what he was going to do (the betrayal) the other disciples had no idea as to what that was all about.
I am persuaded by the narrative that Peter’s view and understanding of Judas after the resurrection had as much to do with his newfound understanding of the scriptures which spoke of the sufferings and resurrection of the Messiah, and this he learned from Jesus.
Again, I love so much of what I have heard from this ministry, but I can’t agree with this view about Judas.
Jeremy’s replay:
Totally fair
Jeremy’s replay again:
Personally have always been quite fond of Countee Cullen’s poem Judas Iscariot.
…It was not death that Judas found
Upon a kindly tree;
The man was dead long ere he bound
His throat as final fee.
And who can say if on that day
When gates of pearl swung wide,
Christ did not go His honored way
With Judas by His side?
I think somewhere a table round
Owns Jesus as its head,
And there the saintly twelve are found
Who followed where He led.
And Judas sits down with the rest,
And none shrinks from His hand,
For there the worst is as the best,
And there they understand…
I think sometimes, all we can do is read the scriptures, and hope. Grace and peace. —Jeremy
Michael’s reply:
I fear that the “sanctifying” of Judas may be a form of idolatry, because it depicts God as having a view of Judas other than what God’s Word tells us about Judas.
God’s Word tells us in clear language that Judas was a traitor (Luke 6:16), Judas was a devil (John 6:70), it would have been better for him if he had never been born (Matthew 26:24), and Judas is doomed to destruction (John 17:12).
If you want to believe a poem that sets Judas at the table with the Lord and the others who were faithful unto death, then go ahead, but I am going to stick with the holy scriptures.
The bigger question is why? Why must we attempt to salvage Judas for us to believe in the glorious grace of God revealed in Christ? Can the God who is mighty to save, not also be the one One who destroys the wicked who never repent? Show me one text from the scripture (anywhere) that says anything about hope for Judas after betraying Jesus, and I will believe it.
When I express concern about idolatry, I really am concerned because I do like this ministry, but we have to be faithful to God’s word and it says nothing positive about Judas.
Jeremy’s reply:
We’re not suggesting that you or anyone has to change your mind. Too much of Christianity has required conformity of thought when some questioning may be helpful at times. There’s nothing wrong with your approach to the story of Judas. And we will all continue to “put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. ~ 1 Timothy 4:10
Michael’s reply:
Then they prayed, “Lord, you know the hearts of all. Show us which one of these two you have chosen to assume the task of this service and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.” ~ Acts 1:24-25
The NET Bible notes says, To go to his own place. This may well be a euphemism for Judas’ judged fate. He separated himself from them, and thus separated he would remain.
This is one of the texts in scripture that comes to mind whenever I hear someone imply that Judas may have been saved. All the evidence points in the opposite direction. There is literally nothing hopeful said about Judas in the New Testament. It all points in the direction of it would have been better if he had never been born. Thanks for the dialogue.
Jeremy’s reply:
The case to be made is for universal salvation in Christ. Not that Judas himself did anything notable to be saved.
Michael’s reply:
If only universal salvation could have been a thing for the rich man, he and Lazarus could have been in Abraham’s bosom together.
Jeremy’s reply
That’s a parable and clearly not how any orthodox conception of heaven actually operates.
Michael’s reply:
So is the parable about the rich man and Lazarus actually a false representation of how Heaven actually operates?
Are you saying we can discard all that scripture warns about God’s judgment on the ungodly and wicked who remain unrepentant?
In your view of how Heaven actually operates is an unrepentant Adolf Hitler, or an unrepentant Jeffery Epstein going to be fellow heirs with us in the Kingdom of Heaven? You have Judas in the Kingdom of Heaven, whom scripture says it would have been better if he had never been born than to betray the Son of man, why not them?
When did people who are not born again begin to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Did Jesus mean what he said to Nicodemus, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” and “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
Was Paul in error when he wrote to the Ephesians telling them that no person who is immoral, impure, or greedy (such a person is an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let nobody deceive you with empty words, for because of these things God’s wrath comes on the sons of disobedience. ~ Ephesians 5:5-6
Was Peter just old and delusional when he wrote, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials, and to reserve the unrighteous for punishment at the day of judgment …~ 2 Peter 2:9
You used the language of how, “orthodox conception of heaven actually operates.” What orthodox conception of Heaven has unrepentant human traffickers, murders, liars, betrayers, abusers, and all manner of wicked people entering the Kingdom of Heaven? No New Testament writer does, and no church father does.
Closing thoughts:
As stated, I want to point out some very concerning things in the statements made in the video.
The church staff member who was teaching, whose doctrine Jeremy supports, places their perception as more in line with Jesus than what Peter says.
Quote: Peter reduces Judas to the worst thing he ever did, which from where I sit, feels like a far cry from what Jesus does with our worst thing.
The danger in this staff member’s teaching is that they are placing their understanding of Jesus’s view of Judas above what Peter says in scripture.
Peter was a personal disciple of Jesus. Peter was a personally appointed apostle of Jesus. Peter is an inspired writer of New Testament scriptures. Peter knew Judas personally. Jesus personally revealed to Peter, along with the other disciples, Judas’s end according to the prophecy of the scriptures.
I am 100% certain that Peter’s understanding of Judas’s end is a wee-bit more accurate than this staff member’s is.
Quote: The ways we betray the ones we love, the ways we get caught up in fear and greed, and scarcity. The ways our mistakes punish us enough that we do not need a divine force punishing us more.
This statement projects normal human failure in a time of weakness into the narrative about Judas. Judas did not betray Jesus at a moment of weakness, being overly tempted. Judas’ betrayal was calculated, and planned out.
According to the writers of the New Testament, Judas was a traitor, not because of a moment of weakness, but because that is who he actually was all throughout his discipleship under Jesus.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had already known from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) So Jesus added, “Because of this I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has allowed him to come.” After this many of his disciples quit following him and did not accompany him any longer. So Jesus said to the twelve, “You don’t want to go away too, do you? Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God!” Jesus replied, “Didn’t I choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is the devil?” (Now he said this about Judas son of Simon Iscariot, for Judas, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.) ~ John 6:64- 71
Long before Judas betrayed Jesus, Jesus called Judas the devil (KJV says, a devil).
Not only does the staff member wrongly interpret the nature of Judas’s betrayal (not at a moment of weakness, but calculated and planned out,) the the staff member undermines the righteous judgment of a Holy God to punish sin. The apostle Paul tells the Thessalonians that when Jesus returns, With flaming fire he will mete out punishment on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. ~ 2 Thessalonians 1:1:8
Peter tells us, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials, and to reserve the unrighteous for punishment at the day of judgment. ~ 2 Peter 2:9
God’s punishment against ungodliness and wickedness is an essential truth from cover to cover in the Word of God. Without it we have created an idol rather than worshipping the true and living God. Thus we are taught in the Word if God that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It is the fear of the Lord that teaches us that God is a holy God and sin cannot abide in his presence. When we remove God’s punishment against unrepentant ungodliness and wickedness, we literally tear down the foundations of so many truths in scripture such as Jesus our advocate and High Priest. We would not need Jesus as our High Priest to save us completely if there wasn’t a Holy God that we are accountable to at the day of judgment.
The staff member makes the critical mistake of interjecting into the narrative what they want it to say rather than what is actually says. The staff member says, I want to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas and gave him a chance.
You want to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas? No! Jesus equated Judas to Satan calling Judas the devil. Notice that the staff member says, “I want to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas…”
I really don’t care what you want to trust if what you want to trust is a lie and in opposition to what the inspired writers of both Testaments of scripture tell us. In John 17, Jesus clearly states that Judas was not saved, but was the son of destruction.
When I was with them I kept them safe and watched over them in your name that you have given me. Not one of them was lost except the one destined for destruction, so that the scripture could be fulfilled. ~ John 17:12
Notice that Jesus says in plain language that Judas was lost, and is set in opposition to those whom Jesus did not lose, namely the other eleven disciples. Judas is referred to as destined for destruction, so that the scripture could be fulfilled. To say “I want to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas” rather than trusting what Jesus says according to the scripture, is to elevate your own idea of God above what the Holy Spirit reveals in the scriptures.
God’s plan was for his Son to suffer betrayal as part of his human experience so as to be made perfect as our Great High Priest. The betrayal is part of the narrative of Christ being unjustly condemned by sinful men. When Jesus chose Judas to be his disciple, he knew from the beginning who Judas was. He knew Judas would not simply commit the “act” of betrayal, but he knew Judas was “a traitor.”
The staff member’s desire to trust that Jesus saw something special in Judas strikes at the heart of the error of universalism. It misses the seriousness of God’s severity and judgment against the wicked who continue to be unrepentant. The core error in universalism is that we all have something special in us that makes us desirable to God and Christ, and that simply is not true, and it was not true of Judas. We are all sinners, saved by the grace of God, not by something special in us.
Finally, the staff member says, What’s next for Judas is between him and his God. I will always read Judas mercifully.
Notice the words, I will always read Judas mercifully. This is why in Jeremy’s replies, not once has he offered a perspective on Judas with scripture that actually pertain to Judas. He quotes an outside source, a poem from Countee Cullen.
Courtee Cullen was a poet who reimagined the betrayal of Jesus by Judas as an act of profound, tragic obedience, suggesting Jesus secretly instructed Judas to commit the act to fulfill salvation for mankind. This view of Judas is not only error because it sanctifies Judas as doing something as an act of obedience, it also implies that Judas was knew that the meaning of the cross was the salvation of humanity. Yet the New Testament writers tell us that none of Jesus’s disciples understood what was happening until after his resurrection, at which time he opened their understanding.
The reason for the death and resurrection of Jesus was a mystery to all, except for Christ, and was not understood until after the resurrection. This is explained in detail by the writers of the 4 gospels, especially the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke).
I want you to consider, as we close, that a Pastor of a church with whom I have attempted to reason, from the scriptures, cites to me a poem that changes the narrative in scripture that Judas was a devil and a traitor, to one who secretly obeyed Jesus.
They can have this poem, give me the Holy written Word of God.


